"All SKUs are named 4K" well, I hope this company enjoys processing refunds.
There are people out there who don't know what 4K usually means.
They mean 4K ver.2.1a which is 1080p, if you want 2160p resolution you want 4K ver.2.1b.
Wait, it's not 4k? I want my 5 minutes back that i spent watching before reading this.
I mean I watched the whole video thinking it was 4k even tho it was ridiculous for that screen size. Nevertheless, I feel clickbaited, refund!
@KB Tibbs not the USB people....😱
Having the receiver only be on the back basically kills this product. It really should be in a chin bar that can receive a signal from either direction.
They should just make the receiver a dongle so you can plug it into whatever you want and also have multi-direction
It makes sense for having it on the little prop up stand with the receiver somewhere behind it, but that's way too limited a use scenario. Like at least five ways to do it better and not limit position
Yeah definitely 💯
I think a bezel along the top would be the best option. Just give it black bezels all around and it'd blend in with the product design.
Agreed. Being limited to only facing the direction of the transmitter feels like a really weird trade-off, over having to reposition the device your connected to. I can’t even really buy into the “gaming on the go” selling point, because you’re having to pack extra materials over using a similar monitor with a more typical connector. Cool tech, though. Hope it gets better.
Can't really see this as a viable product, but it sure is a cool demo. For most uses, a tablet or a wired monitor is superior. To be viable, it should both have better antennae that can bounce the signal off walls, and a lower frequency signal for seamless backup.
@lmore377 Hey thanks for the suggestion. I currently use parsec and it is honestly really good but I do still notice the teeny tiny bit of latency. Though in wondering if that's moreso due to the latency of the controller input needing to be sent over the connection rather than it being directly connected to my PC. What's the best way to get enhanced range out of an Xbox controller?
@Andrew Slovak take a look at spacedesk. I use it for almost the same exact use case and as long as my tablet has a decent wifi connection it works great. Only problem is audio is a bit problematic still and only one way
Yeah, 5G tablet costs way less and has more features like cameras and microphones
I'm willing to bet that this would introduce too much latency. Also the ability to "bounce" off walls is not a property of the antenna.
This tech seems most viable for wireless PCVR, it’s the main use I’ve seen talked about with it lately Most theoretical implementations place a few receivers and transmitters on multiple points around the headset so they always have line of sight with the hub, supposedly the Pimax 12k QLED and Valve’s next headset will have it.
This could work in a live entertainment setting where you want to give the person on stage a live view of what is being broadcast (or a mobile stage display) but also want the flexibility of not running yet another cable. Other than that, I'm not sure it is quite there yet. The line of sight thing is a deal breaker for consumers.
Surely yes. But definitely in at least a few generations when it can be reliable enough to be used live. What it could be useful for is focus pulling. Basically what they were doing in the end of the video, but the person with the screen would have a remote to control the camera's focus ring. That is done in movies, TV shows, and such. And the very low latency of this thing is actually very helpful. Current solutions for that still have some lag in the range of a few ms. It's not a lot, but it's noticeable and makes the job harder.
I feel like this tech is promising for the live entertainment industry, but it's not there yet AT ALL. Shit HAS. TO. WORK. Especially live.
In a presentation in a small room, it seems like a person getting up from their seat in the line of sight would break it
I get what you’re saying. But the love entertainment industry absolutely cannot tolerate these levels of unreliability. We run cables.
@Driveformer seems pretty useful that you use somthing like nyrius Aries pro+ where it supports a good amount of distance and can go through walls at times. I’ve seen some people use it as one for cameras or hand held wireless controller with screen for consoles.
A small correction: 60Ghz is not necessarily 5G. Just as transmissions on 2.4Ghz are not all WiFi. Bluetooth, RC transmitters and wireless mouse/keyboard dongles also transmit on 2.4Ghz. Instead these frequencies are open for anyone to use without license, while sticking within defined power limits and without causing interference to others. In this case I am pretty sure that they are not using 5G, but using their own protocol instead.
Probably 80211ay? 60ghz & all
@Fairyball Except it's extremely bad form to have a tech company's employees look completely clueless and be entirely incorrect about products and features, which leads to bad information. Even other unboxing channels will verify information via the manual or looking up basic things. This also isn't the first occurrence of bad information on this channel. LMG can do better, honestly.
@Fairyball oh, makes sense... altought I thought they made another channel for having more outlets for sponsor adverts 😁
@Ξανδρος Peaches The whole point of Short Circuit was for LMG employees to review products in front of cameras without planning/scripting, the LTT channel is where some of the more elaborate scripted reviews can be found. Still though, I agree, a little bit of research would go a long way towards more accurate product information.
Also doesn't know what USB OTG is, even though it's been around for a couple decades. I'll just start questioning credentials and presuming every short circuit episode has zero research beforehand, to the point they obviously can't even read a manual beforehand; which honestly just leads to bad content.
The best part is when they have others just crash the review and be like, "what about this use case?"
@ShortCircuit One of the best use case I can see this being is in schools and business
@Zermit ffs even the guy was annoyed over it As said its blatantly apparent
@Kev711 2001 bros trying to analyse someone from like 10mins of camera personality 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Him popping in was so funny to me he just popped in like "what's this" "wireless display by who?"
When you thought no one could be more Riley than Riley. You were wrong.
Every time Horst walks in, I see my guy rolling his eyes, this is not the only video. 😂 On the side note, I have been waiting for true wireless for Monitors for ages, 5G or higher band technologies are most likely the solution.. I hope these guys keep on improving.. then one day we may have something usable.
@KitCat 100% with you on this one. Horst is probably my favorite in the Linus media group right now. He doesn’t hold back no matter what brand he’s reviewing but the other guy is ALWAYS positive and sucking the brands off. Horst came in like „so the speakers suck, you still need a wire, you need line of sight and it doesn’t work as well with macs as with windows. Yeah that product is trash“
@KitCat lmao couldn't have said it better myself. Horst was kind of a breath of fresh air, I didn't even fully realize I thought the monitor was stupid until he made it obvious
He is annoying though
@KilroyKilljoy In this case Horst would've been a better host. Plouffe spent 10 minutes basically speaking air trying to be as inoffensive and judging to the product as possible, meanwhile Horst gave it straight in 2 minutes that this is obviously such a dog shit product that no one would ever use. Even if short circuit isn't 'technically' a review channel, I'll never take Plouffe seriously. These short circuits aren't even short anymore, they're full length LTT videos with 0 effort in them. They're as trashy as react videos.
that tends to happen when people who are annoying walk into a room.
The line-of-sight requirement is a deal breaker for me. IR connected devices were line-of-site, and the experience was so uneven that it just wasn't worth it. This feels like a step backward.
On the other hand, maybe you could use lower frequency with some compression
@Marco Genovesi Did you even read my comment?
@Hawxchampion so you enjoy moving the display all over the place while watching a movie?
This isn't really a step backwards... it's more of an early iteration... bleeding edge tech, if you will. I'm sure more refinement in the future will find means around the whole line-of-sight limitation. For now, this little gadget will only be able to cater to a certain use-case, meaning it's not quite ready for prime time yet.
It's not step backwards because there was never a technology allowing raw HD video without latency at penetrable frequencies, because it's not physically possible. The only workarounds are compression and maybe foveation (based on eye tracking), but raw data is at its physical limits of the width of the wave. Even 5G already uses similar frequencies (as addition to the old ones) that also have occlusion issues for phones to achieve high bandwidth and it will only get worse in the future with 6G - expect antennas everywhere inside big public buildings. Physics won't change...
It seems too finicky on alignment. Surely it's going to give many users a hard time. Cool tech but not something I'd have the patience for.
OTG is a HOST port, meaning you can plug USB devices into the monitor.
@PiterFersin I don't know how many products are labeled that way anymore but a large number of very current products still use the protocol to allow communication between devices. Phones, Cameras, power banks... I use an "otg" cable (type c to a) to connect my phone to external storage devices or my phone to my camera for external monitoring. Perhaps it's the ubiquity of the standard that makes it so relevant some don't even realize how often and universally it's being used.
@Michael Pottmeyer Yep "has" been, haven't seen much tech lately using it. I remember when I had HTC phone with OTG and was king of the wolrd using mouse and keyboard with it ;D
No offence intended but OTG has been a thing (a really useful one, for that matter) for years and I assumed it was fairly ubiquitous at this point. It should be, if not.
@ASIR Don’t be mean. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses…things that they know more about etc. I could tell you what the inside of every single Mac Pro ever made looks like from memory, but ask me a question about HEDT PC motherboards, and I’ll probably have to look it up.
Yes thankyou, i dont know how one can review tech and dont know basic terminology? And this isn't the first time either. This guy belongs behind the scenes not infront of the camera. Most boring uninformed guy from LMG
I'd say this is still in the "Cool but too finicky for every day use" category. We just gotta figure out quantum entanglement then everything can be wireless!
Portable dual screen work set up would make a lot of sense with this. Also mirrored display purely for the touch is actually really useful in some use cases. That price tag though, a little steep.
This would be great as an extra display for the alignment rack at work, line of sight is doable if slightly annoying, but I'm not sure about $600... As a shop expense maybe (the machine itself was definitely more costly) but I highly doubt the higher-ups would agree.
I'm happy to see the technology advancing. Would be cool to sit a full size monitor on your desk with your desktop PC in the same room and get at least 1080 60 Hz with no cables running between them. Could turn a small office of 3-8 people into a table of just monitors and periphs and all of the computers sitting on a wall.
I like that wireless tech is evolving so well, but I wont get a wireless display until I can use one reliably out of site of the transmitter.
The main use case I would think of is like having a bigger portable screen for traveling with like a switch or something. But at that point the wireless seems kind of pointless
I backed this on Kickstarter cause I wanted to have this by my bedside in case I don't want to sit at my desk in my room primarily to use it as a laptop-type device. Lay on my bed and do some light gaming or YouTubing and whatnot while having the versatility to position it wherever I feel most comfortable in. Edit: Being able to use my desktop/laptop specs for gaming while comfortably looking at this screen on my bed is definitely a plus in my books.
11:43 Noooooo! Path loss increases with frequency. Pumping enough energy in is the reason it doesn't "get interrupted by a whole bunch of stuff" - it very much does. Higher frequency = higher bandwidth, higher attenuation. The power received is roughly proportional to the wavelength squared and the power transmitted in a free path scenario, and lower frequency waves diffract on more obstacles. There's a reason extremely high frequency (compared to radio, anyway) visible light doesn't go straight through the walls ;)
I think he maybe tried to say that you can have multiple of these closeby without interference because the interfering signals would also attenuate and get obstructed.
I can see this technology working really well in the future once 1) They put receivers on both sides of the device (basically as many as they can) or they somehow improve signal penetration 2) Wireless power becomes refined and ubiquitous Right now, it is a cool concept but they could definitely add more receivers to stop it being so finicky and try to include a bigger battery in the screen.
Can't wait for this tech to be viable in a few years. This is an easy buy once LOS isn't a necessity
Really disappointing to see it's using mm wave and requires line of site. Otherwise I could see a lot use cases. IMO, the wired version of the display is way better value.
the line of sight requirement is a way bigger deal than the vid makes it seem, you basically cant go anywhere with it and even if u wanted to u would have to go backwards... this thing looks like it would be quite painful to use. if u cant leave the room with it, its quite useless
When I've used 60ghz devices in the past, turning my back on the transmitter was not an issue. As soon as I left the room however, it broke contact
I think the video demonstrated well that using this product feels like using a broken cable. It's a cool demo, though, but a lot of engineering is still needed for good antennae and circuits to become efficient and affordable.
This is the same wireless technology that is used on the vive wireless. Virtually zero latency in my experience. I dig it!
I hope see more wireless tech like this as it grows. The day we can get rid of wires for displays without issues will be a good day.
I'm pretty happy with USB-C. You need a wire for power anyway (even if you have a battery-powered device, it has to charge), so you may as well use it for data.
To me, the real use case would be if they made it a real stationary monitor that you can put on your desk beside you pc and make you setup nicer by getting rid of a cable.
This is such a cool product... until the line of sight issue comes into play, what you really want is to have your gaming pc in your bedroom and the display in the living room, but if I cant have the signal interrupted the best way I could config this is both in pc and display in the living room and I can just move anywhere freely in that one room.
the line-of-sight aspect completely killed any interest i may have had in this product. it severely limits its use scenarios.
No wires* *except the ca hundred wires on the dongle. That's a cool tech-demo for the wireless stuff, but why on *earth* would you not just get a display with a cable. Works 100% of the time, transmits power. That tech would be really sweet if built into laptops and for example meeting room displays, Zoom room controllers or sth.
That’s like saying wireless charger *except the wires on the charger dock.
Or a tablet/ipad?
i love the idea of going full wireless but I'm scared that when i need it the battery is empty stops me from going there
I'm not sure wireless displays are that great of an idea - replacing a transmitter sounds a lot more expensive than replacing a cable. That is, if future wireless monitors even allow you to replace the transmitter and don't just expect you to throw the old one away and buy an entire new product like with some of Apple's latest questionable products.
@Рауль Каримов see my other answer above, Logitech products that advertise "Unifying" dongles (the symbol is a sun on an orange square). Those can be paired to a new dongle easily (and a single dongle can be paired to 6 devices at the same time, so you don't need to waste 6 ports). No other wireless device can do that afaik, the device is paired to the dongle at the factory and if you lose the dongle it becomes useless.
@Marco Genovesi not really, Logitech sells replacement dongles for their wireless peripherals (except perhaps headphones).
How hard are you on your cables that this was your first thought?
@Fedyx 1 I prefer to buy Logitech stuff that uses the "Unifying" dongles. Those dongles can be bought separately and re-paired easily (also a single dongle can pair up to 6 devices at the same time)
It's definitely not for everyone and a device like this is so complicated that 90% of people would be just as happy with a more standard solution like screen casting to a tablet. I can imagine some use case where you want to stream directly, like a director watching camera feeds directly or a portable display synced to a screen in an open space, but most of the examples I can think of start with "legacy hardware" and it's hard to innovate when your most valuable market is people running old AV equipment.
If line of sight wasn't an issue I'd love to have this connected to a desktop so I can just take it places or give it to people
OTG is “on the go” for display through USB. Some smartphones use this feature
I think it's best use case would be for someone who uses his desk or table for other stuff to. You can just pick up the display and a bluetooth keyboard and put them to the side without having cables running all over your desk
I really wanted to test this monitor with my Time Sleuth to test this "No Lag" display alongside the RetroTink 5X and an Analogue Pocket. Hopefully I get to someday!
So interesting 🤔 can't wait to see what is next in wirelessnes
Love the loose feeling of these videos, anyone coming in from the office to look/talk about the item, feels nice and organic and friendly..... Love it
@Little Jackalo you good bro?
@Little Jackalo go be hateful elsewhere please and leave us civilized kind people to enjoy
Big red coming in with his fruit voice was so painful that I had to skip it when he kept disregarding the host and talking over him. It's so cliche... "I'm gay, so I have to use a Mac, and I HAVE TO talk like this."
@L G yeah the Mac address guy seems to be like that
Proper try hard, the guy who came in and took over.
I can totally see this (the 4k more pricy version) as an apple product! No cable display for your mac! No more messy cables! Just plug in one cable(power) , turn on your mac and done(wireless mouse, keyboard and stand of course are not included). AKA less cables, more green product!
This is getting closer... What I'm waiting for is a screen with a keyboard and mouse pad, so you unfold it like a laptop and have a gaming experience on the couch, but it's actually streaming from your desktop without going through the internet. You could leave your desktop in a bedroom, or even just behind the couch. But I don't want to game on my TV, I want to watch TV and game.
It already exists, and it's anything over lan such as steam deck, Nvidia shield (or experience, something like that), moonlight, parsec, and most probably many more alternatives that mainly help you stream your screen over lan (and internet) allowing you to connect external keyboards mice and controllers
Or… a laptop running steam in home streaming
So.. a steam deck?
Really should have an extendable receiver, or at least make it work from front and back (put it on the corner and dual-sided?). 5G is very much line of site as the video clearly pointed out, so making this wireless display have such limited options for positioning seems like a design flaw, especially at the asking prices.
This is pretty cool! They just need to work on the receiver to not lose connection when you lay the tablet down.
neat. would be nice for a workbench or maker space. have the pc setup and can access the PC from the 3D printers or at the work bench without having to walk back to the desk. The Direct line of sight issue is a huge killer at least for me tho.
This kind of tech is best left to a seperate device. I could see a few use cases but it would be far more if it was simply a cable replacement that could be used for anything.
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out the justification of choosing that thing over the ROG Strix XG15AHPE for portable gaming. Maybe if you REALLY need it to be wireless but I don't really see the point ?
Like the concept, like the form factor, but mm-Wave 5G seems like the wrong choice for this, requiring line of sight. I would be more on board if this display used something like 5Ghz or 6Ghz Wi-Fi. Would enable me to wander around my house with it.
@Michel van Briemen The simple answer to your questions: Band allocation and existing hardware. 19GHz, 23GHz, and 26GHz are all allocated for satellite communications in the United States. For this use case, you would need something allocated for Amateur or Mobile use. And while the *idea* of using a frequency in between 6GHz and 60GHz is sound, in practice to keep costs down you would want to find something for which there is already existing hardware. 60GHz is well-supported for WiGig and mmWave 5G, 5 and 6GHz is well-supported for Wi-Fi. In the IEEE 802.11 spec at least (which covers WiGig, mmWave, and Wi-Fi), there isn't really anything between 6GHz and 45GHz, again due to those frequencies being *extremely* busy in other uses.
@Skirata My issue isn't with the protocol in use (mmWave 5G, or WiGig, or whatever), it's specifically with the frequency, because when you get as high as 60GHz the ability for your transmission to penetrate objects drastically decreases.