Give that man a raise he just came up with the brilliant idea. Merch we all like.
@RiGo latex with matching whip that doubles as a duster
@augu0326 they don't make pc clothes
U mean give that guy a hair transplant? Would be better instead of a raise
Origin: "professionally" overclocks and tunes the PC they give LTT to showcase. LTT Anthony: clears settings before even booting.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't reset the EFI unless powered.
Such a baller move
As a 3080ti owner I HIGHLY recommend running it at 70% power. I save around 100W of power and heat, run without the fans screaming at me and only lose about 5% performance. And of course I can always bump it if I am right on the borderline in FPS in some game and think that 5% is going to matter. Nvidia is pushing the cards way too high to get slightly higher benchmarks to look as good as possible but it really isn't worth it IMO.
@MalikNeedsYogurt The "funny" thing of it is that I would never have it without the GPU shortage. I was able to get several cards early before things got bad (for me and family) that I then was later able to sell and use the money to get this card also for MSRP when I won a shuffle. So I essentially paid 700 bucks for it. Still not cheap, but I wouldn't normally drop 1500 or so on a card.
Why u gotta flex on us poor people
@Caleb Tracey I think Nvidia cards in general are given way more voltage than they need. My GTX1070 hits 1946MHz @ 1.050V or something from the factory, I undervolted it to 1926MHz @ 912mV with a 400MHz memory overclock and it actually performs better than stock because it doesn't run into heat issues. I think this is also the case with a lot of other Nvidia models as well.
I couldnt agree more. Undervolted mine and its working perfectly fine & consuming way less power and running at lower fan speeds & temps
RTX cards undervolt extremely well and I’ve had great results with undervolting ampere. With my 3080 I’m currently running 1935 @ 900mv and have been very happy with it.
the joy on his face when he thought of PC clothing, priceless.
LTTStore clothes for the Inwin Alice!
If LTT Store doesn't have a cardigan for my mid-tower by the end of the year, color me disappointed.
a box full of hamburgers
I want to see a picture of that expression in the dictionary under "eureka".
*Considering Origin PC's RIDICULOUS pricing, that packaging was more interesting than the product.*
@Dr.Saima Masood yeah I wanted to get a 5900x but they were getting scalped when they came out so I settled with a 3900xt instead
@Christopher Pittman Dunno what you're talking about. Their prices are basically identical if you spec it out.
@Dimondminer11 Great Price, although a 2080Ti is around 3070, and 3900XT is not that strong in Single core, but anyways for the Price it is a good PC.
@johannes wouldn't be surprised if its just to give origin the appearance of being "extra premium". Origin's pricing is insane for the products you receive.
could you undervolt that cpu a bit to get a bit more performance? given it seems to be thermally constraint
@blink182bfsftw Because each CPU has differing levels of silicon quality. To make sure they all work, chip makers need to adjust for the work possible example.
Why aren't they undervolted from the factory
@H S The device wasn't plugged-in. Depending on the motherboard, sometimes the CMOS only resets if there's power to the switch.
And don't forget tossing those shitty RGB fans and swapping to some actually good ones while filling any empty fan positions (if there are any)
For anybody wondering, the ITX case Origin is using for this build is a slightly modified Cougar QBX. They can be had for around $50, but feel like they're manufactured by Fisher Price.
Yea I noticed that too, maybe something like the nr200p would have been the one to go for
Literally checking comments to see if anyone else noticed that. Good eye.
Fisher Price! so they are toddler proof, sounds perfect
It's strange. This case is a modified Cougar QBX, which is a 7 year old case. Which supports full length gpus AND 140mm ATX power supplies. It definitely looks like they've modified the psu mounting bracket to only accept sfx units. But the QBX only supports a 240mm radiator with one fan, rather than 2 because of the larger PSU. Interesting.
@synth15 dang, I used that video as a guide for my QBX build, the music was so good, I keep coming back to it just for the music.
@NeVMiku modified the top panel and the radiator mount, other parts are all plastic so quite easy to change... Funny thing is that the QBX is one of the cheapest SFF cases I know of (is quite good tho), and they use it in such expensive builds...
Yep, modified QBX
The QBX can have a 240 with two fans if a sfx psu is used. Had a build like that years ago
It's worth noting that 12th gen has extremely high power draw at the maximum boost with diminishing returns. You could have applied a 175W or so PL limit and likely get same / better results, in combination with an undervolt. Letting it run just uncapped leads to higher temps, which throttles the clock speed, and then lower performance (when thermally restricted).
@Nitidus It's a SF750. Optimum Tech tested a 3080 and 10900K pulling the same amount as that 12900K on a SF600 and even that was fine. Just because there are power supplies that trigger from sudden spikes in power that doesn't mean you can't use properly designed ones like an SF750. It's still pulling less then its rated power output running fucking Prime95 and Furmark simoultaneously, which would never happen in the real world anyways.
@tonnentonie 12th gen is essentially overclocked with extremely high power limits right out of the box. That’s why the cooling needed for stock 12700k and 12900k are significantly bigger than before - or you need to tweak it to work on smaller coolers.
@Nitidus As shown in the video, the PSU isn’t a problem. If might be using the Corsair SF750 which can handle it. It’s not just going to shut down, even under maximum worst case load as they demonstrated. With a power limit and undervolt, that’s just makes it even more true.
Seems questionable to ship this with a 750W PSU considering the large audience they must have expected? Those system integrators are for people who don't know much about picking the right parts. They won't know why their PC keeps crashing at random times. Origin knows this, considering their pricing. They shoot for people who have no idea and just pay whatever. It's really sketchy imo and should have been underlined more in the video, but I guess they got paid to present this, so...
Glad to hear it's a tinker gen again!
I just sent close to the same system back to Origin. Maxed out, close to 6k. I’m a competitive gamer and game for hours, this system ran so hot. But even worse it was way too loud to have next to me and after so many BSOD, I had to return it. Oh, my top fan was mounted upside down and cable management was so bad. Nothing like this one that’s sent to Pro You-tubers for advertising. I know this is a payed ad video, but I would love to see more honest review.
*with the Steam Deck review
You do know that just cuz it's sponsored doesn't mean that they can't tell the truth/their own opinions? Linus made a point on this recently on I think LTT
I built my own with the same specs for under $2.5K 🤣 prebuilts are a ripoff
That’s actually pretty impressive that the warranty includes customizing parts.
0:14 LOLed my butt off. I was running a playlist through my TV while software-tweaking my PC. Paused the playlist, now forgotten why, and I was thinking *what is he doing there?* Got the reference a moment later - now in tears 😂 Made my day at 8am.
As usual, great video Anthony. That Half-Life crowbar action at the start made me laugh more than it should have.
Run hitman 3's Dartmoor benchmark at 4K, that was a guaranteed instant OCP shutdown with my 3090 and SF750 regardless of core voltage. Furmark is limited by ampere's memory controller and throttles before you even hit the power or temp limits.
The SF750 has a very weak 12v rail and the rail voltages will drop before 11.4v guaranteed over 400W even when only pulling 650W total. Very disappointing PSU
My 3080ti reaches 400W sustained in quake RTX, so I'd imagine the transient loads are quite a bit more.
How did you NOT have a killawatt meter on the outlet to see what the max total system draw was?
@OriginPC - Not sure when you did, but thank you for adding AMD graphics cards back into your options. Would still like to see your custom cases sold separately in some way.
@ImTheDoctor He's "threatening" you with an apple to keep you away... Cause you have "doctor" in your name.
@ffwast origin doesn't make apple computers...
@ffwast I said their *custom* cases, not their obviously supplied off-the-shelf cases.
@ImTheDoctor They pulled AMD graphics cards from their customization options some years ago in a rather controversial move that made it seem like Nvidia bought exclusive distribution rights from them. Publicly they claimed it was because they were getting too many service calls regarding AMD graphics cards in their systems. This was before the noted driver issues involving the RX 5000-series that have long since been resolved. I've been a custom system builder longer and had no such issues with AMD or Nvidia graphics cards other than the cost to performance differences during that time other than the aforementioned 5000-series issues that lasted maybe 6 months. AMD graphics cards have been relevant since before AMD acquired ATI and rebranded them. Of course an Nvidia fanboy wouldn't know that and only cares about the top end they could never afford on mom and dad's allowance, yeah?
I expected the case to function as a boombox.
considering how similar in price it is when compared to a Maingear turbo I would pick turbo, maingear's customer service is immaculate the other day I had an issue with mine called them no holding the phone straight to a person and my issue was solved within 5-10 minutes!
OMG, limply whacking the crate with the crowbar HL style made me laugh so hard :D
With a glass panel, that could've been a very handsome oven
Mesh ftw! On my SFF chassi I've made my intake from the front and top and exhaust fan located at the top of the back and removed the shimmy things that cover the pcie slot connectors making the lower front intake fan push it through, so far I haven't managed to get a package temp above 60* Celsius, and that was at continuous boost :P
Holding that beast like a boombox and I love it.
I really like the smaller form factor PC.
That design reminds me A LOT of an old Cougar QBX I used to have.
Running Furmark on my undervolted 3080ti FE 76.8c max, 350w Prime95 Small FFT on my 5800x hits 90.4c instantly @4.4ghz. System is in a Sliger S620 with a 240mm AIO + 4 noctua case fans, same layout as the Origin case but quite a bit smaller. Can't imagine trying to squeeze another 140w out of the CPU, still impressive what Ryzen can do with half the power draw though.
@Xavier Hébert you're right it may be clock stretching or trying to boost the CPU too high, I think mine is set to max booster override, maybe 200mhz. But it doesn't seem to be applying it at all to single core. I'm not too concerned about it all though, I need the system stable for work and I've got plenty of retro setups to tinker around overclocking :P
@realbadTech have you tried messing with the boost override setting? 4.85 is the base max single core boost speed and you need an override for it to go higher. Mine is set at 175 MHz and anything higher leads to clock stretching.
@Xavier Hébert that's something I can't get mine to do. Single core I get 4.85, I was never able to get Ryzen Clock Tuner 100% stable and I probly just don't have the thermal headroom in this case for more anyway
@Brett Combs I don't think it's that curious we're talking about a 16L case, and the 5800x will run hot I think regardless of what you cool it with. I can see how you'd get 750w at the wall if it's measuring the whole system + monitors and peripherals and all. My UPS reads 650w with everything plugged into it and torture testing and thats undervolted
@realbadTech yeah I'm around 4.7 all core with custom power limits and per core CO. It also hits ~5.03 single core.
For anyone interested, that case is based off of the Cougar QBX. retail floats around 70us
welcome to chonktown! so glad to be seeing you get more into the new hw banquet we enjoy this year - it is going to get better - do a refurb cluster - the best bang for your buck - prices on old junk will fall with advent of new pc masterrace parts - for smb they want nvme, ram and faster networking - scale is where it is at and if you love iops well you are in luck - basic state of the art iops stats for smb should continue to burgeon and prices should normalize #efficient chonky scaleable smb budget cluster
I wouldn't be surprised if the cooler wasn't properly ramping up in response to the CPU temps as from my experience, Corsair AIO Coolers will rely on the water temperature inside them for fan control, not CPU Temperatures. It also appears that Anthony didn't take this into account.
@Garrett Reyman @Tom Tom That's an entirely correct design. You can basically design for such and such worst case maximum water temperature, with the fan at 100% speed, the CPU running at whatever worst case average power you are designing for (set it as PL1 if you like), and the ambient temperature as hot as you'll let it get in summer before accepting that your computer might not work right. Then under normal conditions, use PID feedback control of fan speed to keep water temperature just below the worst case design temperature. The water has so much thermal mass, relative to the power output of the CPU and how fast the fans can spool up, that you can get very very close without danger. That way your fan speed is very close to the slowest it can possibly be.
@Jim Gokus that's... Actually one of the big selling points of water cooling. Because water has a big thermal capacity, you let it heat up first and then when the water hits a threshold, you start the fans. Think about it like this: the CPU goes from idle to 100. On air cooled systems, the processor heats up the air-cooler instantly, so the fans also ramp up instantly. We all know it. On watercooled systems the CPU will instead slowly heat up the water in the loop (slow, because it can store a lot more heat in itself -> high thermal capacity). When the water hits a threshold where it is too hot for your liking, you can start the fans slowly, because you have much more time to dissipate the heat that is now in the water. Also: the hotter the water, the more heat gets dissipated just by the whole loop itself, because dt (the difference between room temperature and the water temperature) is bigger. This means a system with a threshold of 35°c will have much slower running fans than the same system set to maintain 30°c water temperature, while the performance in software will be the same! A big waterloop doesn't even have to be cooled by fans if dt is high enough and the loop has a high surface area with cool air (more radiators). Hope this clears up your misconception. This is by far the coolest technical aspect of waterloops if you ask me. I hope you could understand what I mean, have a nice day!
If that's true that's an idiotic design
Thats interesting and pretty stupid.
Well we also know a PSU can also go above the rated limit for short times like spikes maybe even some sustained as long as it's not a lot higher for too long.
@Ademir Avdić The SF750 can handle it, lots of people run 3090s on them, Optimum Tech even managed to run torture tests with a SF600 on one.
I think its like at least 150% for super short spikes. The new 3.0 "standard" is 200% i believe.
SFX PSUs have less capacitance. Asus even measured a 3090 drawing up to 940W at times and a 3080Ti has nearly as many cuda cores so it's not going to be much better. I have the exact same PSU and it tripped OCP in a bunch of games at 4K even when my 3090 was undervolted with the power limit dropped to the minimum.
considering that Intel's extreme tech upgrade guys who got 850W PSU are actually showing issues, (while running 3080s) I would not get theese specs for this PSU
It’s easy to get a sff with no compromise, you have to try to get a case that big to deliver sub par performance
As a SFF enthusiast I can assure you that a SF750 is enough PSU for this build especially with a modest undervolt on the GPU which with ampere often renders better results than standard or factory boosts while also saving you 100w
Prior to the AGESA BIOS updates last year my 5900X/RX6900XT spiked on Time Spy (on full 4k - downscaled) as the avatar turns from the first giant in the whole. This (without fail) caused the system to just shut down ungracefully ... on a 1000W PSU.
Tried to configure one to my taste (i7 12th gen + 3070) reached $3k lol..... Thank god I don't live in US and Canada else I'd be $ 3k short right now hahaha
@Zane White but what CAS latency?
@TeCh ExPlOiTs 32gb 3600mhz
@Zane White I hope you have fast ram with that for 3k ;)
That's how much my 5800x/3080ti nr200p build cost. Crazy overpriced
Although us gpu pricing is hopefully gonna get better
Exactly the joke I expected Anthony to make. You never disappoint, Anthony! Love from Penang
Hold up. PC clothing can definitely be a thing. Like those clear vinyl covers that would go over CRT monitors and keyboards at schools, but modernized colored fabric/elastics.
Scarves for your tower PC
That case looks like a Cougar QBX with custom plastics. The metal components all look nearly identical. I wonder if they sourced it from the same OEM as Cougar
The 0 degrees C thing is a 12 gen intel issue, same thing happens to my 12400.
that plastic fabric case from Inwin basically was a pc with clothing, and imo, it was pretty cool, so go for it
Anthony is so awesome, hands down the best host for sure, maybe Linus is a lil better
anothony's eyes lighting up when he came up with another merch idea was hilarious lol
@DEATHSTROKE Plot twist, you're actually talking to Linus ^^
i thought your name was Sinus infection lol..
I also prefer mesh over glass. For stability and cooling reasons.
When he started hitting the crate with the crowbar it just instantly reminded me of Half Life and the such lol
😭That moment when he realizes this lil pc might burst into flames 💣 He begins to realize he must attempt to save the things life by cutting the tests early 🤣
I'm a big fan of this sized itx pc, i'm using the NR200 with a 212 cpu cooler. It's been the most reliable and silent pc i've ever built!