Important Note: For pricing the Vision 14 included 19% VAT because it was being sold in Germany, as well as a higher price than the US due to longer warranty requirements. This makes the pricing much better compared to the Blade 14
Naturalhighz
was about to say you can't just compare prices directly as we always have VAt included in Europe. also we can't actually get the razer at those prices in europe. it's all a bit weird.
SuppaR
@antronk they dont use eu prices freque tly so its fine i guess . Would be still nice if it wouldnt accur anymore in upcoming vids tho
Jack The Magic Cat
Also it has charging via the usb C, so you don't have to use the BP though will be a better experience
Threnn
@agentcrm Not true
crafted
That screen wobble is truly brutal. Instantly noticeable
Strict on budget
@J W same.He is 100% lying.
Austin B.
Yeah, looks like an earthquake just hit
Nguyễn Hoàng
@Thunder Arch there are way thinner laptops without that wobble tho
Ryne Landers
@Thunder Arch only if you don’t use premium materials. Razer Blade doesn’t wobble, Dell XPS doesn’t wobble, MacBook doesn’t wobble, and on and on…
Pentium3
wobble moment
XMG
Hi everyone, we would like to comment on the screen wobble in this video: VISION 14 is a 1kg laptop with very narrow screen bezels. As bezels get more narrow, so does the amount of space we can use to attach (with screws) hinges to the screen assembly. This causes laptops all across the industry to get slightly more wobbly recently. The hinges in VISION 14 are relatively light and offer a torque resistance of only 2.5kg - this allows the laptop to be opened with one hand. It also makes the laptop feel nice and effortless to work with and it fits the overall ultra-low-weight design. In the months after the beginning of mass production, we have worked with our ODM in Taiwan to increase the hinge torque to 3.3kg (losing one-hand opening), but this eliminated wobble only to a small extent, because wobble is a combination of hinge assembly space and the inherent flexibility of the ultra-light, thin chassis material. What you see here in the video seems to be strongly exaggerated by the fact that the *table itself* in the video is wobbling. You can see this in many of the overhead shots with the pattern of the mousepad wobbling up and down on the screen. This seems to be a bad case of the table's own wobble frequency being in resonance with the laptop's wobble frequency, making the wobble more pronounced and lasting much longer than it should. Such harmonic frequencies can amplify each other. The wobbly table, having much more mass than the laptop, will increase the amplitude of the screen wobble and make it hard to stop. It happens in music, but it also happens in mechanics. In reality, you will *not see such wobble* when: • Putting the laptop on a hard surface that does not wobble itself • Putting the laptop on any soft surface (such as your lap), because a soft surface would immediately dampen any wobble • Putting the laptop on a sleeve would also work as a dampener You can find a number of other reviews of VISION 14 and TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14 Gen6 on IRglo where the laptop was tested on hard, wobble-free surfaces and the screen wobble was not that bad in those review. Also, we haven't gotten much negative feedback from end-users about this issue because it is very easy to deal with by just using an appropriate working surface. If you have any other questions about VISION 14, please reply to this comment directly. Thank you for your feedback! // Tom
Mijc Osis
@Trooper1911 yeah - those tens of dollars are more like $100 when it reaches market for the difference between a 100W barrel charger and a 100W PD charger. Please explain why i would want $100 added to something that is already a painful purchase for most people? I would far prefer to get $100 more computer hardware and the PD charger later. And you lose a USB-C port to do it. You can likely buy a 100W PD charger for less than the diff it would make to the price (Clevo would be buying from a manufacturer at lower volume than a lot of charger brands, and many have their own factories, theres also an extra set of hands in the supply chain). Theres also a good chance the PD charger will be less efficient than a well made barrel charger due to the inevitable compromises of multiple voltage support. Sorry but im down with the minimum bundle. I even tend (like most people with any tech ability) to buy less RAM and add it cos SI RAM tends to be more expensive.
Lily
@XMG Hey, Tom! Thank you for the notice! Greatly appreciated:) That is okay, I am not planing on doing much traveling where the laptop will be required in that time. Can't wait though! I just hope the shipping from Germany into the US won't be too rough for it 😂
XMG
@Lily Thanks for the props, props are always welcome. Next-generation is currently kind of stalled due to COVID lockdowns in China. I wouldn't expect it before June/July this year. // Tom
Lily
@XMG Can I just thank you so much for taking the time to dedicate and answer people. That's very wonderful! Props to you guys:> I will definitely be considering this laptop as one of my purchases as soon as the new gen comes out!
Odie
That's great BUT my £200 chinese laptop has far less screen wobble, looks like someone messed up.
Snow
Prices on german sites are usually VAT included, not sure if you calculated that in when comparing to the Razer laptop on the US website.
Timothy Murray
taxes in the US are significantly lower than in Europe. The final price of the base razer blade 14 comes to about 2150
PotatoAiming
17% in Luxembourg
just let it all end
@jgn hungary 27% :S
AgneDei
@Jeik And Hungary crashes through the wall with 27% VAT :D
marcello42
@Wistbacka yes it is not too bad indeed :) you are always welcome to buy good when you are over here! but I guess this is more common in the US. Every state also has different rates this is why prices are shown net. I heard Nevada is a good place to shop.
Patrick M
You should compare the Razer Blade's price in Germany to it, as electronics tend to be far more expensive in Europe in general.
Jack Wilson
Not far more, about 20% due to VAT...
Jas Bataille
Made in Europe electronics yes, not Chinese ones, plus VAT is included in all European prices.
jubuttib
@Brandon Chutt High VAT, longer mandatory warranties, etc.
Brandon Chutt
Electronics are more expensive in Europe because of higher sales tax
O-A
At least in this case, the price isn't far more expensive in Europe. In Germany the price for the Blade 14 is 2016 USD before VAT compared to 2000 USD before Tax in the states. The problem is Alex didn't account for the fact Europe includes VAT in the advertised prices, so his conversion of the Vision 14 price was flawed. Really his config is about 1780 USD.
Mr_Teo
The razer blade starts at ~2.200€ in EU. Also $2.123 US is with tax :)
spoj
@dark matter no. The only additional costs would be shipping and customs/import tax if required. You won't have to pay American sales tax on a European product. That's what VAT is for.
dark matter
@spoj so American ordering this would just be paying up to 30% more. Also, customs/import rarely gets added
spoj
@Steven Randall you can't remove the VAT. You need VAT exemption to get VAT removed from a purchase. Which a regular consumer isn't eligible for. VAT is equivalent to US sales tax. It's just handled differently. Either way it's still not a fair comparison as you pointed out. They should compare to German prices for other products.
Steven Randall
Is it? I'm not sure exactly how ordering something from a country with a VAT tax to a country with a sales tax model works, even if the VAT is removed when shipping to another country there are also import taxes to be concerned with which at least in the US vary based on the type of product and could make that 19% VAT back. Then if you factor in sales taxes like they didn't do here that could mean an increased 10.3% or 0% depending on where exactly you live... Like shipping taxes are highly variable depending on where you are and you can really only go by the list price on the website, though it would have been more fair for a German to German site comparison.
sirmonkey
@CarthagoMike yeah sadly that's something we're not use to in NA.. tax is always added later so most people don't catch that when looking at euro prices.
CarthagoMike
I don't entirely agree with the price comparison here. The Schenker had VAT included in the Euro price, the Razer Blade one (on their website) did not in their Dollar price.
Richárd Krajnyik
@Remi NYC honestly I'm just about done with LTT and the rest of the channels. They slag some products and praise others on some criteria for the exact same thing (IOs). Recommending oled and then admitting it's not working, then going back to recommending it. Really loses any credibility when they bang their chest on being objective
c0p0n
@Remi NYC cool story bro
Remi NYC
You expect that smart, technology oriented person, often ordering online and providing tech news from all over the world would know pricing basics at least. It's your bad. P.S. Blame me in also... I like their shows and watch them despite the fact that many opinions and facts are (purposely or not)"twisted". In that case I would at least expect simplification like 1:1 euro conversion and 20% VAT deduction as this is close to average tax in EU.
MiChAeLo KGB
Did you consider that all prices in EU include VAT (about 20%, depending on the country)? So the final price without VAT would be about 1700$
Scott Smith
@CMDR unematti knowone said it wasn't
MiChAeLo KGB
@CMDR unematti it even states right below the price "incl. tax and excl. shipping"
marcello42
@Esava you are the UberGerman
CMDR unematti
@Scott Smith it was in euros, the website counted VAT for sure
Scott Smith
Still the American pricing is excluding VAT
Superkoopatrooper
The entire time you used this laptop, all I could see was how crazy the screen wobbling is.
Mijc Osis
a lot of it is the table wobbling
Kris M
Came searching to make sure i wasnt the only one that noticed this, put me off straight away
Eric Baker
Same. It's atrocious
Ezzzys
@erik sameee
erik
YES OMG THE WHOLE TIME
Murk
The price on the laptop includes VAT, and I'm not sure the Razer comparison does - as a note, without (German 19%) VAT it's around 1631€ , which is 1780 USD
Mr. Reese
You can turn on "fast sync" in the nvidia driver panel, that removes tearing while not having any of the disadvantages of v-sync. btw, Schenker (XMG) laptops have been around for many years and it has always been a very good bang for buck. And as said here, prices in EU are with tax, so it would be better to compare it to Razer prices in EU as well.
dark matter
@XMG I see. I thought it was just a case of like what some clothing brands du with Gildan hoodies. Send over some custom designs for an existing chasis and print your logo on the lid and bios screen
XMG
@dark matter XMG and SCHENKER are both brands of Schenker Technologies GmbH, a German company that is now entering its 20th year in business. We do more than just rebranding. We have a permanent office in Taiwan and work closely with our ODM partners to make these premium chassis a reality. // Tom
dark matter
I've heard of XMG but not schenker. It's just a rebranded empty shell from china, right?
The Magitechie
Very nice to see some companies actually taking reparability seriously now, even in an ultrabook form factor. I like to think it's because of Framework basically calling out Apple's bull about modularity always equaling Panasonic Toughbook levels of chunky. this is good. let's hope this trend continues.
Mateusz W.
You can't really compare European to US prices directly like that. The Blade 14 in Germany costs 2200 EUR... that's 2400 in USD.
MightyTofu
For the pricing you need to consider that in the US, prices are usually without tax. In Europe usually prices are with tax included. Accounting for that, the Schenker might be cheaper than the Razer.
LeoDJ
I absolutely _love_ the inclusion of the repairabilty segment in the latest review videos! Very good job, solid assesment and important information!
DctrGizmo
The fact that you have an option to remove the logo on the laptop is pretty impressive! Though the other stuff like the speakers and the screen wobble is a bit of a let down.
CheapBastard1988
10:35 The indicated price includes tax, which is typically around 20%. So usually a €1250 price tag in Europe would be about a $1250US in the United States. As price tags in North America don't include tax. Also the shipping of the laptop is free inside the EU.
Masmanlee
i’ve been using a razer blade stealth early 2019 for over 2 years and beside feeling like i’m carrying a time bomb this form factor and aesthetic has always hit for me even after all this time. might have to look into this for sure
l3v1ckUK
I wish more high end laptops had the option of a matt display. I'd love an XPS with a matt screen.
Ren Heika
It's kinda interesting, I've had a stuttering issue with my 3050 Ti and you have to really tweak settings sometimes to get it to go away and that's even if it does.
LiK
The size and weight is super impressive for what you get. I’ll probably wait for the Ryzen variant.
Andres Acosta
for "ease ofupgradeability" sake. i think, having usb c powerinput as an option is fine but having barrel connector is easier. most usb c charging is directly soldered onto the motherboard. while barrel connectors are usually pluged into the motherboard or is part of a daughterboard which makes it much easier and cheaper to replace. tho this one seems to be soldered to the board which is a pain in the butt
àtinúdá
In the same universe where we have the flow x13, the Zephyrus G15, Microsoft surface studio, the actual razer laptop i don't think this can compete effectively
Michael Noah
These 14 inch laptops are perfect for work-play balance, hoping you guys can cover the Alienware X14!
Skirata
Since you gave Euro prices those include a 19% Vat which is usually missing in US pricing so there’s that.
CarthagoMike
Ye, the Blade was excluding VAT, so in the end the pricing is likely similar.
Alain Graham
Europe usually adds tax before checkout, much like the UK. Also for some reason the configuration gives me 1990.02 not what you got. If I change it to to 64 gigs of ram it gives me about the same amount. Pre-tax is pretty reasonable at 1672.28 when using the 1990.02 price point (all prices are in euros.). When converted, this comes to about $1800.
T H
Well when looking at the price you have to account for the fact that electronics are cheaper in the US when you compare it you usually pay 150-200€ more in Europe when you translate both prices into the same currency
Esava
@CarthagoMike Yeah that's 19% VAT that was included in the Schenker price.
CarthagoMike
also the Schenker had VAT included, the Razer Blade did not, so the price comparison is off.
Mecharuva
2880x1800 is an excellent screen for a small laptop with a 3050 Ti. You can play at 1440x900 with zero blurring from resolution scaling and get great performance and still decent resolution (for the screen size).
Alexander Klos
I remember these laptops... I bought one in 2012 or so. They were nice custom laptops at the time - but now I'd go with a Framework IMO. Different era.
Matthew Pizzolato
Anyone with a Motile or any other Tong Fang 14" - 15" immediately recognizes this design. Would love to see someone board swap a purple 15.6" Gateway with something like this as a kind of modern sleeper. Why? Because they can damnit
Ebsolas
Well to be fair to the 3050, my 2014 "gaming" laptop from MSI has a 960m and it runs Valheim... ok. So, I'd say that one would be plenty powerful for most games that aren't console ports.
Philippwillsurfen
Love that you're covering the awesome Schenker Notebooks now! Finally a proper channel taking a look at them 😍😍
Sibir Lupus
Looks more like a Surface Laptop with dedicated GPU IMO. Better off going with the ROG Zephyrus M16 with RTX 3060 for a few hundred less.
Francesco Prati
you should keep in mind that every price in € always include taxes , the blade it's 2000$ before taxes... Anyway that i7 11370h it's garbage compared to the AMD 6900hx in the blade...
BlackTears
The second he said Intel, my first thought was "ew." I just need more power efficiency from my laptops.
Francesco Prati
Yup, that laptop doesn't make sense, for the same or less money you can get a flow x13 or z13, The 11370h was already outdated when it came out (look at the dash f15, horrible performances even with a 3070)
Jehty
Not every price includes always taxes. B2B websites generally are without taxes (can be a bit confusing if you as a private person stumble across such a site and suddenly everything is so cheap)
Esava
That blade is also 2200€ in Germany. So even more expensive.
Quettesh
Razer blade is cheaper, but do you want something that will fail just when the warranty expires?
Superkoopatrooper
I'd rather have a laptop with a screen that doesn't wobble because the rotation of the earth. I'd take a Razer laptop anyway of the week.
Esava
@Infernus Let alone the fact that most laptops are more expensive in europe than in the US. The razer blade that was shown in the video at 1999 USD costs 2200€ in Germany. So roughly 2400 USD. Without 19% VAT that's 2017 USD so actually the Schenker is cheaper.
8bit bunny
cheaper, untill you include taxes on the razer laptop, then it's more in the same ballpark for performance. a oversight by ltt (the german laptop price includes tax, the razxer one shown does not)
CarthagoMike
The blade is more expensive actually, once you include taxes. The Schenker includes taxes in the Euro price, the Blade did not in the dollar price.
MrJack08722
The wobble is a complete non starter with a laptop at that price.
Michael Skinner
Considering chargers and USB-C, when do you think monitors will switch over to USB-C? Wouldn’t that make everything easier? Can USB-C handle that over a long time?
Keith Cruz
I always love the homey feel of the short circuit set
javi
I think the PcSpecialist 14" FUSION STUDIO is the same barebone and if you configure it like in the video you can get it for $1750 with taxes included, so I think that's a much better deal!
Master Zoentrobe's Gaming Clips
Paying more for a laptop with high repairability is an unfortunately common upcost. Probably still worth it, though.
8bit bunny
regarding prices you did one overlook: in the webshop of the laptop being reviewed, taxes are included. if you convert to us, you have to take into account, there's no tax applied to the prices shown in us dolans. that 2k razer laptop still has local state tax to it, making it more like a 2200 usd laptop, not a 2k one. either include or exclude tax on both. not tax naming for just one, but not the other ;)
8bit bunny
@Sam Wallace nope, i'm dutch. neighbouring to germany :P
Frostmelka
To my amateur eye this looks exactly like TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14, down to the exact same price for logo removal :D So Linux should work without any issues on this laptop, Tuxedo one also ships with nice GUI tool for power/fan management and switching the Intel/Nvidia graphics on their own TuxedoOS (or Ubuntu).
Jebusankel
@Orca Flotta it's not clevo, it's tongfang. Same business model though.
Orca Flotta
@Preston Sergent Thing is, dear Preston, they don't make laptops, they just assemble Clevo barebones by putting SSDs, NVME's, RAM and sometimes GPUs in them. That's all. Same as countless other such outfits all over Europe, the UK and America. I can't say in how far Schenker and TUXEDO are related, I always thought they were rivals.
Preston Sergent
I'm running the Pulse 15 now, and it's the same thing as the schneker VIA 15. I thiiiink TUXEDO may be a subsidiary of Scheneker that gets independence to market itself separately? Either way, both companies make great laptops, especially for Linux usage.
Orca Flotta
They both be Clevo barebones.
Damien
that screen bouncing around the whole time would drive me completely nuts. there's your deal breaker right there (before we even consider acoustics, heat generation, bad audio, etc)
MrSyngamer
I'm using one from a local PC boutique called Aftershock. Its a Tongfang chassis, can't quite recall what it's model number is but it's fantastic for something that's really light and sleek. Best part is that its silent for regular day to day use, and doesn't get hot.
Huy Quang
The upgradability is awesome. My Asus G14 is thicker, lighter and it has only 1 RAM slot and 1 SSD slot.
Ph Mu
Gotta love alex, "this thing is awesome, lets take it appart.." the once he opened it already he asks how much it's worth. Don't change dude lol.
Gl1tchedDatabase
This sounded like a potentially nice little laptop for a backpack until I saw the price 😅 doesn't seem so nice to me anymore
IWEK91
Schenker, parent company of XMG.....which is probably one of the best gaming laptop makers out there. I got an xmg neo 17, it's fantastic. A colleague got a schenker few years ago, still going strong but like 1070 in it so it's kinda lacking these days 😁 Wouldn't recommend it for anything other than gaming though 😅
Michael Livote
Even though this might warp the universe as we know it, I'd love to see both Alex and Anthony making a series on here......it'd be amazing!!
Important Note: For pricing the Vision 14 included 19% VAT because it was being sold in Germany, as well as a higher price than the US due to longer warranty requirements. This makes the pricing much better compared to the Blade 14
was about to say you can't just compare prices directly as we always have VAt included in Europe. also we can't actually get the razer at those prices in europe. it's all a bit weird.
@antronk they dont use eu prices freque tly so its fine i guess . Would be still nice if it wouldnt accur anymore in upcoming vids tho
Also it has charging via the usb C, so you don't have to use the BP though will be a better experience
@agentcrm Not true
That screen wobble is truly brutal. Instantly noticeable
@J W same.He is 100% lying.
Yeah, looks like an earthquake just hit
@Thunder Arch there are way thinner laptops without that wobble tho
@Thunder Arch only if you don’t use premium materials. Razer Blade doesn’t wobble, Dell XPS doesn’t wobble, MacBook doesn’t wobble, and on and on…
wobble moment
Hi everyone, we would like to comment on the screen wobble in this video: VISION 14 is a 1kg laptop with very narrow screen bezels. As bezels get more narrow, so does the amount of space we can use to attach (with screws) hinges to the screen assembly. This causes laptops all across the industry to get slightly more wobbly recently. The hinges in VISION 14 are relatively light and offer a torque resistance of only 2.5kg - this allows the laptop to be opened with one hand. It also makes the laptop feel nice and effortless to work with and it fits the overall ultra-low-weight design. In the months after the beginning of mass production, we have worked with our ODM in Taiwan to increase the hinge torque to 3.3kg (losing one-hand opening), but this eliminated wobble only to a small extent, because wobble is a combination of hinge assembly space and the inherent flexibility of the ultra-light, thin chassis material. What you see here in the video seems to be strongly exaggerated by the fact that the *table itself* in the video is wobbling. You can see this in many of the overhead shots with the pattern of the mousepad wobbling up and down on the screen. This seems to be a bad case of the table's own wobble frequency being in resonance with the laptop's wobble frequency, making the wobble more pronounced and lasting much longer than it should. Such harmonic frequencies can amplify each other. The wobbly table, having much more mass than the laptop, will increase the amplitude of the screen wobble and make it hard to stop. It happens in music, but it also happens in mechanics. In reality, you will *not see such wobble* when: • Putting the laptop on a hard surface that does not wobble itself • Putting the laptop on any soft surface (such as your lap), because a soft surface would immediately dampen any wobble • Putting the laptop on a sleeve would also work as a dampener You can find a number of other reviews of VISION 14 and TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14 Gen6 on IRglo where the laptop was tested on hard, wobble-free surfaces and the screen wobble was not that bad in those review. Also, we haven't gotten much negative feedback from end-users about this issue because it is very easy to deal with by just using an appropriate working surface. If you have any other questions about VISION 14, please reply to this comment directly. Thank you for your feedback! // Tom
@Trooper1911 yeah - those tens of dollars are more like $100 when it reaches market for the difference between a 100W barrel charger and a 100W PD charger. Please explain why i would want $100 added to something that is already a painful purchase for most people? I would far prefer to get $100 more computer hardware and the PD charger later. And you lose a USB-C port to do it. You can likely buy a 100W PD charger for less than the diff it would make to the price (Clevo would be buying from a manufacturer at lower volume than a lot of charger brands, and many have their own factories, theres also an extra set of hands in the supply chain). Theres also a good chance the PD charger will be less efficient than a well made barrel charger due to the inevitable compromises of multiple voltage support. Sorry but im down with the minimum bundle. I even tend (like most people with any tech ability) to buy less RAM and add it cos SI RAM tends to be more expensive.
@XMG Hey, Tom! Thank you for the notice! Greatly appreciated:) That is okay, I am not planing on doing much traveling where the laptop will be required in that time. Can't wait though! I just hope the shipping from Germany into the US won't be too rough for it 😂
@Lily Thanks for the props, props are always welcome. Next-generation is currently kind of stalled due to COVID lockdowns in China. I wouldn't expect it before June/July this year. // Tom
@XMG Can I just thank you so much for taking the time to dedicate and answer people. That's very wonderful! Props to you guys:> I will definitely be considering this laptop as one of my purchases as soon as the new gen comes out!
That's great BUT my £200 chinese laptop has far less screen wobble, looks like someone messed up.
Prices on german sites are usually VAT included, not sure if you calculated that in when comparing to the Razer laptop on the US website.
taxes in the US are significantly lower than in Europe. The final price of the base razer blade 14 comes to about 2150
17% in Luxembourg
@jgn hungary 27% :S
@Jeik And Hungary crashes through the wall with 27% VAT :D
@Wistbacka yes it is not too bad indeed :) you are always welcome to buy good when you are over here! but I guess this is more common in the US. Every state also has different rates this is why prices are shown net. I heard Nevada is a good place to shop.
You should compare the Razer Blade's price in Germany to it, as electronics tend to be far more expensive in Europe in general.
Not far more, about 20% due to VAT...
Made in Europe electronics yes, not Chinese ones, plus VAT is included in all European prices.
@Brandon Chutt High VAT, longer mandatory warranties, etc.
Electronics are more expensive in Europe because of higher sales tax
At least in this case, the price isn't far more expensive in Europe. In Germany the price for the Blade 14 is 2016 USD before VAT compared to 2000 USD before Tax in the states. The problem is Alex didn't account for the fact Europe includes VAT in the advertised prices, so his conversion of the Vision 14 price was flawed. Really his config is about 1780 USD.
The razer blade starts at ~2.200€ in EU. Also $2.123 US is with tax :)
@dark matter no. The only additional costs would be shipping and customs/import tax if required. You won't have to pay American sales tax on a European product. That's what VAT is for.
@spoj so American ordering this would just be paying up to 30% more. Also, customs/import rarely gets added
@Steven Randall you can't remove the VAT. You need VAT exemption to get VAT removed from a purchase. Which a regular consumer isn't eligible for. VAT is equivalent to US sales tax. It's just handled differently. Either way it's still not a fair comparison as you pointed out. They should compare to German prices for other products.
Is it? I'm not sure exactly how ordering something from a country with a VAT tax to a country with a sales tax model works, even if the VAT is removed when shipping to another country there are also import taxes to be concerned with which at least in the US vary based on the type of product and could make that 19% VAT back. Then if you factor in sales taxes like they didn't do here that could mean an increased 10.3% or 0% depending on where exactly you live... Like shipping taxes are highly variable depending on where you are and you can really only go by the list price on the website, though it would have been more fair for a German to German site comparison.
@CarthagoMike yeah sadly that's something we're not use to in NA.. tax is always added later so most people don't catch that when looking at euro prices.
I don't entirely agree with the price comparison here. The Schenker had VAT included in the Euro price, the Razer Blade one (on their website) did not in their Dollar price.
@Remi NYC honestly I'm just about done with LTT and the rest of the channels. They slag some products and praise others on some criteria for the exact same thing (IOs). Recommending oled and then admitting it's not working, then going back to recommending it. Really loses any credibility when they bang their chest on being objective
@Remi NYC cool story bro
You expect that smart, technology oriented person, often ordering online and providing tech news from all over the world would know pricing basics at least. It's your bad. P.S. Blame me in also... I like their shows and watch them despite the fact that many opinions and facts are (purposely or not)"twisted". In that case I would at least expect simplification like 1:1 euro conversion and 20% VAT deduction as this is close to average tax in EU.
Did you consider that all prices in EU include VAT (about 20%, depending on the country)? So the final price without VAT would be about 1700$
@CMDR unematti knowone said it wasn't
@CMDR unematti it even states right below the price "incl. tax and excl. shipping"
@Esava you are the UberGerman
@Scott Smith it was in euros, the website counted VAT for sure
Still the American pricing is excluding VAT
The entire time you used this laptop, all I could see was how crazy the screen wobbling is.
a lot of it is the table wobbling
Came searching to make sure i wasnt the only one that noticed this, put me off straight away
Same. It's atrocious
@erik sameee
YES OMG THE WHOLE TIME
The price on the laptop includes VAT, and I'm not sure the Razer comparison does - as a note, without (German 19%) VAT it's around 1631€ , which is 1780 USD
You can turn on "fast sync" in the nvidia driver panel, that removes tearing while not having any of the disadvantages of v-sync. btw, Schenker (XMG) laptops have been around for many years and it has always been a very good bang for buck. And as said here, prices in EU are with tax, so it would be better to compare it to Razer prices in EU as well.
@XMG I see. I thought it was just a case of like what some clothing brands du with Gildan hoodies. Send over some custom designs for an existing chasis and print your logo on the lid and bios screen
@dark matter XMG and SCHENKER are both brands of Schenker Technologies GmbH, a German company that is now entering its 20th year in business. We do more than just rebranding. We have a permanent office in Taiwan and work closely with our ODM partners to make these premium chassis a reality. // Tom
I've heard of XMG but not schenker. It's just a rebranded empty shell from china, right?
Very nice to see some companies actually taking reparability seriously now, even in an ultrabook form factor. I like to think it's because of Framework basically calling out Apple's bull about modularity always equaling Panasonic Toughbook levels of chunky. this is good. let's hope this trend continues.
You can't really compare European to US prices directly like that. The Blade 14 in Germany costs 2200 EUR... that's 2400 in USD.
For the pricing you need to consider that in the US, prices are usually without tax. In Europe usually prices are with tax included. Accounting for that, the Schenker might be cheaper than the Razer.
I absolutely _love_ the inclusion of the repairabilty segment in the latest review videos! Very good job, solid assesment and important information!
The fact that you have an option to remove the logo on the laptop is pretty impressive! Though the other stuff like the speakers and the screen wobble is a bit of a let down.
10:35 The indicated price includes tax, which is typically around 20%. So usually a €1250 price tag in Europe would be about a $1250US in the United States. As price tags in North America don't include tax. Also the shipping of the laptop is free inside the EU.
i’ve been using a razer blade stealth early 2019 for over 2 years and beside feeling like i’m carrying a time bomb this form factor and aesthetic has always hit for me even after all this time. might have to look into this for sure
I wish more high end laptops had the option of a matt display. I'd love an XPS with a matt screen.
It's kinda interesting, I've had a stuttering issue with my 3050 Ti and you have to really tweak settings sometimes to get it to go away and that's even if it does.
The size and weight is super impressive for what you get. I’ll probably wait for the Ryzen variant.
for "ease ofupgradeability" sake. i think, having usb c powerinput as an option is fine but having barrel connector is easier. most usb c charging is directly soldered onto the motherboard. while barrel connectors are usually pluged into the motherboard or is part of a daughterboard which makes it much easier and cheaper to replace. tho this one seems to be soldered to the board which is a pain in the butt
In the same universe where we have the flow x13, the Zephyrus G15, Microsoft surface studio, the actual razer laptop i don't think this can compete effectively
These 14 inch laptops are perfect for work-play balance, hoping you guys can cover the Alienware X14!
Since you gave Euro prices those include a 19% Vat which is usually missing in US pricing so there’s that.
Ye, the Blade was excluding VAT, so in the end the pricing is likely similar.
Europe usually adds tax before checkout, much like the UK. Also for some reason the configuration gives me 1990.02 not what you got. If I change it to to 64 gigs of ram it gives me about the same amount. Pre-tax is pretty reasonable at 1672.28 when using the 1990.02 price point (all prices are in euros.). When converted, this comes to about $1800.
Well when looking at the price you have to account for the fact that electronics are cheaper in the US when you compare it you usually pay 150-200€ more in Europe when you translate both prices into the same currency
@CarthagoMike Yeah that's 19% VAT that was included in the Schenker price.
also the Schenker had VAT included, the Razer Blade did not, so the price comparison is off.
2880x1800 is an excellent screen for a small laptop with a 3050 Ti. You can play at 1440x900 with zero blurring from resolution scaling and get great performance and still decent resolution (for the screen size).
I remember these laptops... I bought one in 2012 or so. They were nice custom laptops at the time - but now I'd go with a Framework IMO. Different era.
Anyone with a Motile or any other Tong Fang 14" - 15" immediately recognizes this design. Would love to see someone board swap a purple 15.6" Gateway with something like this as a kind of modern sleeper. Why? Because they can damnit
Well to be fair to the 3050, my 2014 "gaming" laptop from MSI has a 960m and it runs Valheim... ok. So, I'd say that one would be plenty powerful for most games that aren't console ports.
Love that you're covering the awesome Schenker Notebooks now! Finally a proper channel taking a look at them 😍😍
Looks more like a Surface Laptop with dedicated GPU IMO. Better off going with the ROG Zephyrus M16 with RTX 3060 for a few hundred less.
you should keep in mind that every price in € always include taxes , the blade it's 2000$ before taxes... Anyway that i7 11370h it's garbage compared to the AMD 6900hx in the blade...
The second he said Intel, my first thought was "ew." I just need more power efficiency from my laptops.
Yup, that laptop doesn't make sense, for the same or less money you can get a flow x13 or z13, The 11370h was already outdated when it came out (look at the dash f15, horrible performances even with a 3070)
Not every price includes always taxes. B2B websites generally are without taxes (can be a bit confusing if you as a private person stumble across such a site and suddenly everything is so cheap)
That blade is also 2200€ in Germany. So even more expensive.
Razer blade is cheaper, but do you want something that will fail just when the warranty expires?
I'd rather have a laptop with a screen that doesn't wobble because the rotation of the earth. I'd take a Razer laptop anyway of the week.
@Infernus Let alone the fact that most laptops are more expensive in europe than in the US. The razer blade that was shown in the video at 1999 USD costs 2200€ in Germany. So roughly 2400 USD. Without 19% VAT that's 2017 USD so actually the Schenker is cheaper.
cheaper, untill you include taxes on the razer laptop, then it's more in the same ballpark for performance. a oversight by ltt (the german laptop price includes tax, the razxer one shown does not)
The blade is more expensive actually, once you include taxes. The Schenker includes taxes in the Euro price, the Blade did not in the dollar price.
The wobble is a complete non starter with a laptop at that price.
Considering chargers and USB-C, when do you think monitors will switch over to USB-C? Wouldn’t that make everything easier? Can USB-C handle that over a long time?
I always love the homey feel of the short circuit set
I think the PcSpecialist 14" FUSION STUDIO is the same barebone and if you configure it like in the video you can get it for $1750 with taxes included, so I think that's a much better deal!
Paying more for a laptop with high repairability is an unfortunately common upcost. Probably still worth it, though.
regarding prices you did one overlook: in the webshop of the laptop being reviewed, taxes are included. if you convert to us, you have to take into account, there's no tax applied to the prices shown in us dolans. that 2k razer laptop still has local state tax to it, making it more like a 2200 usd laptop, not a 2k one. either include or exclude tax on both. not tax naming for just one, but not the other ;)
@Sam Wallace nope, i'm dutch. neighbouring to germany :P
To my amateur eye this looks exactly like TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14, down to the exact same price for logo removal :D So Linux should work without any issues on this laptop, Tuxedo one also ships with nice GUI tool for power/fan management and switching the Intel/Nvidia graphics on their own TuxedoOS (or Ubuntu).
@Orca Flotta it's not clevo, it's tongfang. Same business model though.
@Preston Sergent Thing is, dear Preston, they don't make laptops, they just assemble Clevo barebones by putting SSDs, NVME's, RAM and sometimes GPUs in them. That's all. Same as countless other such outfits all over Europe, the UK and America. I can't say in how far Schenker and TUXEDO are related, I always thought they were rivals.
I'm running the Pulse 15 now, and it's the same thing as the schneker VIA 15. I thiiiink TUXEDO may be a subsidiary of Scheneker that gets independence to market itself separately? Either way, both companies make great laptops, especially for Linux usage.
They both be Clevo barebones.
that screen bouncing around the whole time would drive me completely nuts. there's your deal breaker right there (before we even consider acoustics, heat generation, bad audio, etc)
I'm using one from a local PC boutique called Aftershock. Its a Tongfang chassis, can't quite recall what it's model number is but it's fantastic for something that's really light and sleek. Best part is that its silent for regular day to day use, and doesn't get hot.
The upgradability is awesome. My Asus G14 is thicker, lighter and it has only 1 RAM slot and 1 SSD slot.
Gotta love alex, "this thing is awesome, lets take it appart.." the once he opened it already he asks how much it's worth. Don't change dude lol.
This sounded like a potentially nice little laptop for a backpack until I saw the price 😅 doesn't seem so nice to me anymore
Schenker, parent company of XMG.....which is probably one of the best gaming laptop makers out there. I got an xmg neo 17, it's fantastic. A colleague got a schenker few years ago, still going strong but like 1070 in it so it's kinda lacking these days 😁 Wouldn't recommend it for anything other than gaming though 😅
Even though this might warp the universe as we know it, I'd love to see both Alex and Anthony making a series on here......it'd be amazing!!