The reveal for that SATA port on the dock was unreal. Valve seriously should be taking notes because that's actually 500IQ.
You 'could' use this instead of what the steam deck is using. But unless it supports PD65 charging you will be running off battery.
Yea that’s such an amazing idea. When docked you just have access to an extended library. I REALLY hope they use this system.
SATA or m.2
the engineering that went into the dock alone is impressive. I will keep their devices on my radar.
@B NM Your iPhone was made in a chinese sweatshop, you know? How come you're not complaining about its quality?
@B NM Some of them aren't bad. For example, the Powkiddy devices are generally good. If you put a community firmware on them, they get much better performance. The V90 handles all handhelds GBA and older perfectly, and just about anything at or before 4th generation for under $50. The only real complaint I have is the plastic sucks. I'd rather pay an extra $10. Their more premium handhelds have better build quality and performance. Even with the device in this video, the weakest part is probably the joycon sticks, but that's not a huge problem because they are very cheap and easy to replace. The whole housing can be replaced and only require a single ribbon cable. They go for under $5 on average if you're willing to wait on shipping.
@B NM It's great! I love it! One of those anti-China trolls, eh?
nah,its chinese product, its not good
This is probably the coolest android console I've seen. It's got horsepower, the sickest dock ever, and even the pro model is dirt cheap for what you get.
@Wildfire悪魔 why are you not on the battlefield yet? Go protect your country
@Alex Callender rip screen. Bummer
@Amerikanski Unfortunately I have. It was actually the first thing I tried, and I tried them again each time a new dead pixel appeared. Dozens of different videos for literally dozens of hours. Turns out, those videos only work when the pixels are simply "stuck", and even then it's not a guaranteed fix. My pixels are certifiably *dead*, so a screen replacement is the only option for me if I want a pristine screen again. Thanks for the suggestion anyway though, I've been procrastinating on emailing AYN about a new screen and this reminded me to finally go do it.
@Alex Callender hey dude, try a pixel refresher app. you never know. its basically an app that switches solid colors on your screen. **sometimes** it can unstuck dead pixels on lcd screens
The reason there's two HDMI outputs on the dock is that the Lite model doesn't support video output over USB C. There's a mini HDMI port next to the microSD card slot under the cover at the top of the device, and you use a jumper cable to go from the Odin's mini HDMI output to the micro HDMI input at the top of the dock. If you're serious about using the Odin docked, I would at least get the Base model to avoid having to use the HDMI jumper. Mini HDMI and micro HDMI ports are not very durable, so if you're using the Lite model docked be very careful when you're unplugging/plugging in the cable.
Had a few cameras with micro HDMI. Can confirm the port sucks ass.
Anthony is such a great host honestly. So calming and informative
The most impressive part of this handheld had to be the legacy ports Scratch that, the entire dock
@Minewolf360 well if you can play games that was botched on linux i suppose you should be installing windows though i agree windows is too heavy for that thing
@Aremis At this point just spin a Linux distro on it, running Windows on this will make it anemic
The legend of Bigbooty.OnLine snowquen's is my idol. Hes the person I aspire to be, hes my light of day.
@Aremis Windows 11 ARM and its built-in x86 emulation is better.
Are the ports really such a big deal? I mean everyone who is into retro emulation probably already has a dongle and/or a third party controller.
You need to turn in high performance mode. It overclocks it. Then you can turn the fan on. They have their own custom launcher also. Make sure you run the update as well, as they do OTA and have done 2 since I have had it.
I have the Odin handheld in my hands currently and it is an amazing device in case anybody is wondering
Got mine a week ago... and it's been impressive! I'd say I've had 80% success for GC/Wii (dolphin mmjr) and 50-60% success with PS2 (AetherSX2)... it's great! And yes, it has an active cooling fan, it will turn on in high demanding games (mostly GC/Wii/PS2 for me... have yet to test any android games)
i would recommend dolphin master over mmjr these days since apparently the dolphin devs found a massive Adreno performance benefit a few months back, as far as i know that brings it up to par with mmjr but i haven't tried it much myself... this only applies if youve got an odin pro obviously
Use the AetherSX2 with freedreno turnip drivers (experimental), and that 50-60% will definitely go up.
ahmedp800 Can confirm it’s much more ergonomic than the Switch Lite
@ahmedp800 I'm quite happy with the form factor, can confirm 100% feels better than the Switch Lite.
Ordered one and can't wait to get my hands on it! Speaking about hands, is it comfortable for long gaming sessions? With my Switch Lite, I had to get a Grip otherwise it was a pain to hold, way too slim.
That price absolutely blows me away. To be fair I didn't look at the tech specs but I assumed it'd be absolute minimum $500 + 100 for system and dock, realistically closer to 700 for the whole package
@Matthew B misread. Thought you were talking about brand new $150 phones, not old ones.
@Bhume SD845 phones go for $150 or even less now… what phone did you think I was talking about? I wasn’t wrong you just fabricated an argument I didn’t make about a SD695.
@Matthew B thats false. The CPU may be worse, but low end GPUs in phones still suck compared to the 845. The SD 695 in the new xperia 10 iv has a worse GPU than the 845.
The Odin Pro/Base has slower hardware than what are now $150 android phones. You buy these for the connivence of the all in one package. High end third party handhelds such as the Odin are historically pretty horrible value.
@Bhume Not if you are trying to emulate GC or PS2. Of course it would feel like hardware has stagnated when you don’t expect your hardware to perform anymore demanding tasks than what it could perform at release. This is sold as a mobile gaming platform and new SoCs are demonstrably much faster than the SD845, particularly in the emulation scene.
Quick note on the button colors: they're copied from the SNES layout. The whole console kinda looks like a switch fused with an SNES controller. I really like the controller ports on the dock! In general the dock super cool. Quite like the detail of having the screen still accessible docked, unlike the switch.
Yes as an origin, except they're actually 3DS buttons. Same layout, same position orientation, same cut-ins, same colour pattern of colouring the letters instead of the buttons, like most of the 3DS systems with Japanese and Euro SFC button colours (though of course the SFC edition New 3DS units do have the full buttons coloured). So yes, carried over from the SFC/SNES days, but definitely the Black 3DS buttons. Just like the joysticks are so bloody similar. The tactile feel isn't quite the same, so it's probably just molded after 3DS with the layout as the same, including the size/cut of the internals. Makes for a good spacing in a tight/compact area, and provides for some really solid buttons that last.
@moo mäh Yes I did.
@Valentine's Tube Ah, you meant specifically the cross on top of the round GG D-Pad being "split" like Sony controllers later on.
@moo mäh Oh no not the Steam Deck. I was talking about the design on the Gameboy advance, I mean the Ayn Odin. The shape and split D-pad done that way wasn't done by Sony First. Sega had it on theirs first. On the Game Gear. The round part is all Sony took away and then added some arrows. That's it. All in all it's a Game Gear D-pad. Period.
@Valentine's Tube While my Steam Deck will arrive hopefully tomorrow, where does it have a Sega or specifically Game Gear style D-Pad? It doesn't as GG, Mega Drive and Saturn controllers had round D-Pads, which I still find the best and why I love my 8bitdo M.30 controllers. That said, the Master System D-Pads are horrible and there were different models of the MD controller, which worse D-Pads (same round form but not "floating"). Btw, Game Gear was my first console (had a C64 before), followed by Mega Drive, Saturn, PSX and Dreamcast before fully moving over to PC for many years.
That combo makes the experience so amazing for something at such a low price. Though not as great performance wise as the stem deck, the entire system works so well. This is probably the best budget retro gaming console set ever.
That is surprisingly extremely well and fairly priced, especially the dock
The dock is actually really smart, and the price in this is actually very competitive.
If I wanted a device like this, this one looks like a VERY viable option! I'm genuinely impressed at that audio quality and the dock seems to me to be a really clever extra at an actually pretty reasonable price.
A few things Anthony didn't talk about/correcting Anthony: - Yes, that's a fan. You can change the fan settings in the notification tray. - You can overclock in the notification tray as well. - This device is strong enough to play GameCube, Wii, and PS2 emulators. (And very small bit of Nintendo Switch, ex Sonic Mania at 60fps) - You can map touch controls for android games that do not work with controls ex Genshin Impact. (Any one else with high knowledge use this comment as a thread to add more information for people)
@Hexality what do you want me to say here?
Genshin on Android does NOT support xinput nor directinput of any sort, the only way to click is through touch emulation.
@Jorinator I can change them and notice the difference immediately. Not sure what's wrong with his. I only use the paddles in the back for the Xbox Guide button.
@Hexality it doesn't say anything about security access because that's up to the app not Miho. If the app triggers the anticheat then your account will get banned. Now they're letting you know IF that happens, they already warned you and they wont unban you or help you with the issue. If it doesnt happen, then the devs dont care. Again, this is why they use the wording "might" get banned. Because a human isnt modding it and banning people for doing it, the system is automatically doing it. So you "might" trigger the system to banning you with certain third party apps. But again, an overlay like the Odin Key Adapter will not trigger the system because it won't interfere with the anticheat to think something is wrong. Its an image overlay, not a application configuration. This is a different situation from betterdiscord because they're straight up tell you DONT do this, its against our terms of service. That is a plug in that causes alterations, and discords main fear is that you'll do things to get Discord Nitro content for free. This is a ban issued for admins and mods, not just a bot triggering system
@Dark Nerd Shawny it doesn't say anything about security access nor root, it talks about all third-party launchers in a whole not being allowed, you in specific not getting banned doesn't mean it's allowed for you to use. Same goes for people who uses BetterDiscord mod for Discord, it's against the ToS but it doesn't mean you'll get instantly banned for using it unless the scanning or someone reports you to the system saying your client is modified.
I think the Steam Deck docking station is made with some form of portability in mind in case you don't have another powered USB-C hub. It would be much easier to have a SATA to USB enclosure that costs $10 (and that doesn't need screws, is easier to replace and can be used with all compatible devices) than to travel with that kind of full featured dedicated dock of that shape. Please don't get me wrong, I still think it's a cool dock but it's probably not intended for carry.
I wonder if a third part would develop a Steam Deck dock that has a SATA enclosure built in.
I’ve been waiting forever for this thing to arrive, but they’ve had numerous delays due to the lockdowns in China. On the plus side, their team has done an incredible job of keeping backers in the loop with weekly communications each Friday.
when you popped the back off that my jaw dropped because what I saw is what all docks honestly need I know the steam deck has large drives on the ready and SD card slots but I will always gladly add an additional spinning disk or SATA SSD to a system if that part of it isn't for portability, will they release a version that's strictly the dock and is there a way to install Linux on it so you can make it just an all-around PC?
I doubt they would ever release a dock-only version although I have to admit that would be really cool. They would probably have to re-engineer the PCB and/or the dock itself, engineer a cooling system, etc. I think AYN's main purpose is portable consoles and the dock is just a [really] nice compliment. There are ARM-based mini-PCs with a SATA connection you can buy though but I don't know if there are any as powerful as the 845 and they obviously don't have built-in controller ports.
The Snapdragon 845 has very good Linux mainline support (wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Snapdragon_845_(SDM845)). It should be possible to port it, even though that's probably still a lot of work.
@Raeed Zaman yes it can run windows
@Julian Putnam no it cannot
It can run windows but it drops performance running windows
I wonder if that dock works for other devices, like the Steam Deck and the Switch. Cause if it does then its definitely epic.
I'm pretty sure I've seen people say that it works with the Switch.
Ok, that dock is SICK. They even went with SATA for good performance at a nice price.
@Avery Kucan you are off with the pixies. My gaming laptop has 2 NVME and a SATA for mass storage for productivity. My high end desktop has 6 SATA ports for the 32TBs of HDD storage and another 3TB of NVME.
@moo mäh It was less about showing him he was wrong, and more about showing everyone else how wrong he is.
@Grease1991 The guy clearly doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. SATA won't disappear anytime soon, the same as HDDs won't (where are these awesome 18TB NVMe SSDs that are costing only 260 bucks? xD) and will most likely not introduce some sort of M.2 interface. It's more likely that cheap OEM mainboards for office machines that will get rid of SATA ports to safe some cost and not the other way around as he claims. Not that all M.2 slots are NVMe as they are also available with SATA protocols. Wouldn't be surprised if most office machines feature SATA M.2 drives instead of NVMe ones. Never tested our office PCs at work as featuring M.2 SSDs but even SATA would be plenty fast for office machines and even the Steam Deck seems to be actually loading games as fast, if not faster from SD Cards (wonder why though).
@Avery Kucan the Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero has 8 Sata ports, it's a 450 dollar motherboard. the 2000 dollar ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme Glacial has 6 Sata ports And after looking at a few others you either get 3 m.2 ports and 6 Sata or 2 m.2 and 8 Sata, But they are far from dead. and i would say anything above 350-400 dollars is more on the high end than not.
could have fit 3 NVMe ports in there.
This handheld is compatible with Windows on ARM as the website says. I would like to see a video trying that out.
I love the thinking around the dock. They should use the same philosophy for a Thunderbolt 4 Dock with integrated eGPU and NVMe.
That dock is amazing, I completely hope valve's dock is serviceable when it launches, that top usb c will be an issue though
@Yves Poezevara It is better for handheld use, not so much for hooking up to displays
I think there is reason to not put the steam deck upside down while docked
i like the top usb-c. When i use my deck, the charging cable doesn't get in the way like it does with the switch.
That Dock has got to be the best selling feature for all retro gamers, I mean those connections are superb. The console itself is also impressive
Cheers Anthony, nice to see the Odin getting some more mainstream attention. It ticked my boxes for a retro gaming handheld and eventually ... it will arrive.
I'm super happy with the system, I've had mine for a few weeks now. I still haven't taken the dock out of its box though.
Thank you for mentioning PPI, this is a good way, for me at least to know if, the device of this has a sharp screen for its category, and since it will be used as a handheld, similar to a smartphone "369" PPI is splendid. :-)
Also this thing might be “smaller” because the steam deck uses a full x86-64 CPU, while this device and the switch uses an ARM CPU. Which ARM is usually made smaller, but somehow boasts a good level of power.
I would LOVE to have a dock like that for my Steam Deck.
Every time I see an overview of this thing I'm blown away. I just always forget something that it has cause it has SO MANY FEATURES. I love this thing so much
Nice ending, Anthony. You emphasize the convenience of being able to have fun, over the raw computing power being the key to having fun. I’ll still take my 3DS out, even though I have a Switch. The games are still fun, and the New 3DS is arguably the most ergonomic and well-made, self-preserving handheld there is.
I always love the retro stuff with Anthony
Ayn: *generously sends a tempered glass screen protector* Anthony: *snaps it* Ayn: ...
Breaking it was absolutely the best test of it. The review is there to show people what comes in the box, and the material/resistance of the screen protector is important to know! He likely has plenty of screen protectors, and he knows enough about them to know the material and resistance from just breaking it. One less screen protector in the world, thousands of informed consumers. A more subtle test would still likely need to break it anyway.
@Erik Lindgren Indeed. Doesn't matter how good a screen protector it is if it's never going to be used. At least by breaking it now we know it's a good quality one for anyone considering using it.
@Kou D3x because otherwise it would just remain in the box forever, or a drawer? dont need a screen protector unless there is risk of dropping the device, and linus was not handling it!
@Kou D3x it was just a screen protector. Calm down.
In a way that was a good quick and dirty evaluation of the screen protector. I'll give it a pass.
The Odin is incredible. I've been following it throughout development and it's awesome
This thing looks awesome. I love the idea of retro gaming handhelds, but never can justify buying one that's so narrowly focused. This looks like it would be great for that pluss gamepass, steamlink, etc. Especially for the price. Hope to see maybe a full LTT review on this one. Maybe a full comparison on handhelds for emulation and game streaming.
Wow damn, that thing is super sweet. Android makes it. Would love to see models with more horsepower in the future. Few small tweaks, but this is clearly awesome.
"Why is this dock so good?! Why does it have so much I/O?!" Three words - Windows For ARM. Try loading Windows on it (there's a port already available) and loading Steam on it. Not joking.
Im still waiting for the kernel source release like they said when asked during funding. It is a great feeling device and really makes its competitors look over priced.
@Tams80 Despite wanting to buy dimensity 8100 phone I have to say it is actually Mediatek not complying with GPL and not releasing sources! Qualcomm is doing great job with this. Take a look at CAF - Code Aurora Forum
@Tams80 Qualcomm also releases kernel sources.
They using a Qualcomm SoC though, and Qualcomm are notorious for not being willing to open up.
@Heath Mitchell yeah but they are in a different country so who knows
Don’t they legally have to release it because of the GPL? So if they haven’t they’re breaking the law
I love retro handheld time ☺️ I just got my retroid pocket 2+ in and I finished the initial setup portion and been playing my favorite handheld Zelda game, Minish cap ☺️ having all my cartridges from my childhood on one device has been delightful. Like getting to play Pokémon Emerald again is just delightful.
Once I saw the joystick and side LED's turn on it made me think that this is very close to what Sony would do if they were to make a modern PSP
I would assume the thing with two HDMI's might be something about a little more fitting experience. Maybe the chips somehow process the image differently or something about the refresh rate and with two ports it might be a bit more intuitive?
No the double hdmi is necessary because the lite does not support dp over usb c so they had to use a custom fpga that supports only 1080p so if you have the lite you have to use the mini hdmi port
I see these types of devices, it reminds me of the reason why I got the switch lite. Whenever there's a chance to mod it (hardware/software wise) the switch lite is perfect for emulation and other portable gaming.
One more thing, this can actually run windows 11 and with that some lite indie games with is basically unheard of at this pricepoint in this formfactor.
Best device for cloud gaming. Gamepass is amazing on it, surprised it wasn't mentioned.